Narconon Stonehawk Debate

BROADCAST DATE:  March 17,2007
Vince Daniels invited representatives from Scientology’s drug rehab program Narconon on his show to debate but they refused so he plays excerpts from their radio show and rebuts them with guests.

Narconon Stonehawk Responds

BROADCAST DATE: March 2, 2007
Vince Daniels returns to the topic of Scientology and their drug rehab program Narconon. After having several patients on the air in previous weeks from the Stonehawk facility, the letters come rolling in.
Former Stonehawk patient Melissa Casey returns to the show to share more details of her treatment at the Scientology facility.
Vince reads e-mails and takes phone calls about Scientology drug rehab program at Narconon Stonehawk.
What do you know? Stone Hawk posted a blog entry on their site about the Vince Daniels show. Turns out any patient who speaks out against Stone Hawk is a criminal. The patients are lying druggies and the parents are foolish enablers:

Many people enter a drug rehabilitation program to appease parents or the law and then deliberately leave or behave in a manner that gets them kicked out so they can continue to use drugs. Then, they turn around and say “Narconon stinks, they’re full of BS, they are only interested in taking our money, they are abusive…etc.” which is just justification for the addict to go out and use drugs. The addict then continues to get to do what they want to do guilt free because they tried, but Narconon failed. Parents are naturally enablers, and would oftentimes not want to put the blame on themselves or the addict, but turn to saying there is something wrong with what Stone Hawk did.

But what struck me most in the post was this section:

Although Narconon Stone Hawk is in no way associated with Scientology, the Narconon Program was created by L. Ron Hubbard, the same person who founded Scientology. This Vince Daniels, for whatever reason, has a problem with Scientologists. Because of his misconception that Narconon is associated with Scientology, he feels the need to attack it, too. Narconon does not teach or practice Scientology in it’s drug rehab program. Yet Vince Daniels goes to great lengths to degrade a drug rehab program that has saved the lives of thousands of people and families.

Wow. No connection to Scientology? Unbelievable. It is Scientology through and through. Listen to the last Vince Daniels show. The patients reveal that the same training routines are used, the same BS Hubbard policies of Ethics Officers and overts. I was stunned by all the Scientology jargon I heard from these former patients.
Listen, you want the truth? Turn to Professor Dave Touretzky. He’s done the research. Narconon is an official church program and designated as such in the church’s 1993 IRS agreement.

The social benefit and other public benefit entities discussed at pages 1-28 through 1-42 of the June [1992] submission [by CSI] along with all subsidiaries, subordinate chapters, subordinate organizations, or sub-licensees thereof (e.g., organizations that are permitted to use particular names, copyrights, service marks, and/or technologies) are Scientology-related entities. Thus, for example, Citizens Commission on Human Rights, National Commission on Law Enforcement and Social Justice, Scientology Defense Fund Trust, Association for the Better Living and Education, Applied Scholastics Incorporated, Narconon International, The Way to Happiness Foundation, and the Foundation for Religious Freedom are Scientology-related entities.
[“Closing agreement on final determination covering specific matters”, U.S. Internal Revenue Service, 1 October 1993]

Still, Stone Hawk respects Vince Daniels rights:

We respect the rights of Vince Daniels to print and say whatever he chooses on his radio show and blog. This great nation was built on the rights to do as such. But, his biased and false beliefs prevent him from telling both sides of the story. Truth be told, Narconon Stonehawk has saved lives.

Truth be told, Narconon Stone Hawk can’t tell the truth.


A reader has caught Stone Hawk editing sections of their blog to remove the blatant lie that Narconon is not affiliated with Scientology. The section now reads:

Vince Daniels, for whatever reason, has a problem with scientologists. Because of his misconcepton that Narconon is teaches the religion of Scientology, he feels the need to attack it too. Narconon does not teach or practice scientology in it’s drug rehab program. Yet Vince daniels goes to great lengths to degrade a legitimate and effective drug treatment program that has saved the lives of thousands of people and families.

Well, I am once again at cause over Scientology. I have forced them to react to a mere wog. See how powerful a non-OT can be? We don’t need hours and hours of training routines and indoctrination in the ways of that tubby, lunatic charlatan L. Ron Hubbard. All we need to do is tell the truth and, believe me, that is so much easier than jumping through the hoops put up by Scientology management.

What makes these attacks unfair is he only seeks out people who are dissatisfied with the program to speak. At no time does he bring in the comments or letters of those who swear by it. His website and radio show are filled with people who have terrible things to say about Stone Hawk, but these are all people, or parents of people, who have not successfully made it throught the program to no fault of Stone Hawk.

Wait? More lies? At NO time does Vince bring in the comments of those who swear by Narconon?  Can Vince help it that the people who say good things about Narconon are Scientologists, many of whom lie about it or their connection to Narconon? What about the Wickstrom’s appearance on the show?

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What about Bob Adam’s appearance on the show when he was too frightened to sit in the same room with Tory Christman?

I believe that Vince has had an open invitation out to Clark Carr or whoever would come on and openly speak about the issues. Too tough for an OT, it seems. The mighty beings are really outside of Scientology.


Being shown to be the frauds they are, the Stone Hawk people have moved their blog entry to a new url so the link from this site would not find it. They also suddenly have many success stories popping up to refute the the charges leveled on the show.

Notice how they whine about Vinnie not letting anyone speak positively about Narconon on his radio show? Try posting an opposing view to their blog and see how they react.

Think for yourself. Leave Scientology now.

Narconon Stonehawk Revisited

BROADCAST DATE: February 24th, 2007

Vince Daniels reads e-mails and takes phone calls on Scientology’s Stonehawk Narconon facility in Battle Creek, Michigan.


Vince welcomes back Kimberly Darr and Sheri Koenig from last week’s show whose fiancees were involved in Scientology’s Narconon program in Battlecreek, Michigan.


Two more former patients come on the show to confirm the stories from last week’s show.


Phone calls come in. All of from Scientologists or relatives of Scientologists. Did they want you to know that? No. But it came out anyway.


Narconon Stonehawk Family Members Speak

BROADCAST DATE: February 17th, 2007
The Many Moods of Vince Daniels Vince Daniels devoted the bulk of his radio show today to Scientology’s Narconon Stone Hawk drug rehab front group in Battlecreek, Michigan. It was a terrific show with people who were speaking out against their treatment at the facility for the first time. Vince even managed to get the executive director of the facility, Kate Wickstrom, and her husband, Per Wickstrom, on the show for a brief segment as well as Patty Pieniadz who ran Narconon Connecticut before leaving Scientology this past year.
Segment one features Kimberly Darr and Sheri Koenig. Kimberly’s fiancée, Dave Bowser, left Stone Hawk recently but Sheri’s fiancée, Daryl, still remains in the Narconon program.  Skip forward to about nine minutes in on this video to get to the start of the Scientology/Narconon material.
Part two features the comments of David Bowser who has been out of the program for a week and Melissa Kasey who left the Narconon program just hours before this show. Melissa’s mother, Lynn, also appears.
Part three is a little frustrating because they managed to get the Wickstroms on the show, including an angered Per who felt it important to pick up the extension suddenly and chime in, but there’s a bit more heat than information. It’s best to just get these Scientologist on the record answering questions than to take them on with heated exchanges. These are, after all, people who have been trained in bullbaiting.
The final segment is far too short. Patty Pieniadz talks about her experiences running Narconon Connecticut and working for Scientology’s dirty tricks division in the Office of Special Affairs. Hopefully she can be back for a full hour soon. She has a lot of info to share.
This was a great show and my thanks go out to Vinnie for continuing to tackle the subject. Already they have been digging up information on the guy and trying to smear him on the net. The frantic attempts to stop people from appearing on this show is a clear indication of how worried Scientology is about The Many Moods of Vince Daniels.
Keep it up, Vinnie. You’re helping a lot of people.

Mark Bunker on the Phone

BROADCAST DATE: February 3rd, 2007

The Many Moods of Vince DanielsI returned to the Vince Daniels show today, this time by phone. It was a kind of painful program for me and you can hear it in my voice because I had to speak about a lot of painful topics. The first one being the arrest yesterday of Keith Henson.

It was a last minute addition to the show which I was hoping to go into at the open the show. Thankfully, Barb had emailed Vince Daniels about it before we went on air and he also wanted to address it right off the top.
I’ve met Keith several times. I like him. He’s a decent guy but he can do some dopey things that are not in his best interest. The bottom line is he doesn’t deserve to be in jail.
Keith was protesting Scientology in Hemet when Stacey Moxon died. Scientology tried to lure him away with a free breakfast before the police and medical crews arrived. They wanted to ensure that Keith wouldn’t discover something was wrong and start snapping pictures.
While Keith had been picketing, Stacey Moxon, the daughter of Scientology legal guru Kendrick Moxon, had been electrocuted in an underground electrical vault. At first, Scientology reported to the authorities a vehicle accident. Then it turned into a building fire before the reality of the situation was inescapable.
Scientology next said Stacey went below ground into the dangerous chamber to rescue a baby squirrel. After decades of shore stories (Scientology’s term for outright lies), who can tell what really happened other than a young girl, dedicated to her “religion” as a dutiful Sea Org member was dead.
Keith’s trial was a farce. The word Scientology was not allowed to be uttered. The attorney decided to put on NO defense. He rested, saying the state refused to prove their case. Keith was found guilty of interfering with a religion and sentenced to a year in jail. He fled to Canada, was denied political asylum and snuck back into the US. He will likely be extradited back to Riverside County and face more time.
He and his wife lost their home, lost their incomes and pretty much lost everything for standing up to Scientology. He made some mistakes and some BIG ones but this is still an injustice.
We spoke a bit about journalist Paulette Cooper who suffered mightily at the hands of Scientology’s Guardian’s Office. She spoke about the many covert ops they ran on her at the 1982 Clearwater Hearings:
Read her book, “The Scandal of Scientology” on-line. Check out her official website and drop her a line of thanks for all she’s done.
Then we turned to the topic of Bob Minton. Here’s some info on Bob I put together when I was working for him at the LMT in Clearwater Florida, including the Bob Minton Harassment Timeline.

Mark Bunker in the Studio

BROADCAST DATE: January 27th, 2007

I had the great pleasure of appearing on the Vince Daniels radio show yesterday. I was a last minute replacement after Greg Beha received a hefty settlement from Scientology’s front group, Narconon. Greg got his money back and signed a gag order. That left Vinnie with a huge whole in his show which I tried to fill with a whole lot of me.

In case you didn’t catch it, you can listen to the show on Vinnie’s site or check out my segment here.
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Narconon Stonehawk

There are very few people in the media willing to take on Scientology. Vince Daniels is one of them. He has challenged Scientology’s front group Narconon to do the right thing and refund money to parents whose kids were booted out of Hubbard’s dangerous drug-rehab program.
In previous shows, Vince has talked with Greg Beha whose son was dumped in a seedy motel with $10 to his name after the kid said he thought Hubbard was full of crap. On this show, Vince does a quick recap of Beha’s story with an update on the lack of progress but the bulk of the show is an interview with another parent, Denise Crosby, who shares a story very similar to the Beha’s.

Tory Christman and Narconon Stonehawk

BROADCAST DATE: November 4th, 2006

My friend Tory appeared again on the radio show, “The Many Moods of Vince Daniels.” She talks about her experiences as a 30 year member of Scientology and the pain families endure from Scientology’s policies. You can see her first appearance at XENU TV.
Following Tory on the show was a segment featuring Professor David Touretzky and Greg Beha whose son was admitted to Scientology’s drug rehab program, Narconon. After making a disparaging remark about L. Ron Hubbard, Greg’s son was kicked out of the program and dumped at a seedy motel with a ten dollar bill. Mr. Beha is attempting to get a refund from Narconon.
There are few people who can explain the fraud and abuse at the core of Scientology better than Dave Touretzky. His many sites about Scientology are among the best on the web.